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June 19th, 2007

Can we get some real PvP?

I’m not going to start a rant here about the death of world of warcraft, the death of the GM’s or the game designers, and i’m not going to bash the game mechanics itself.

We all know the game is simply amazing that’s why we are all addicted. But let’s face it.. Blizzard did a horrible job creating a pvp system. On top of that, they did a horrible job for building any system inside the game (you will see as I explain.) Before you read any farther, I want to stress this is not a rant – it’s a discussion.

My favorite part of any PvP would be outdoor hunting. That’s real pvp! I’m not saying that I don’t enjoy Battlegrounds but I still think battlegrounds are less enjoyable because it creates a fake “battle environment”.

With that being said there needs to be some type of incentive to get players out into the game and PvP. I still have fun “ganking” other players because that’s the only bit of World PvP that I actually get.

So let’s talk about why I want real PvP. Everything that we do as characters grants us items. We grind for gold or items. We Quest for gold or items. We get reputation for some items. We get honor just to get some items. Now I understand it’s a descent system for rewarding players who are active but it sucks in my opinion!

Let’s take a close look. I was in a pvp guild grinding out my ranks to High Warlord, which is back when it was actually hard to do. Our guild had about 8 regulars, and 2 players would switch in and out. I was 3rd in-line to hit High Warlord.

We started most of this grind in WSG because there was nothing else. I finally hit High Warlord.. and I wanted to kill myself. The grind to get those items was very tedious! It was a huge accomplishment but something I will never do again.

After I got my items.. I was so tired of PvP that I didn’t even want to try out my new weapons. You see what I mean? We do all that work for items, just to finally GET them -AFTER- we do what we want them for, for such a long time. In my opinion this makes the system broke.

Now lets compare WoW To my FAVORITE pvp game of all time: ShadowBane. Shadowbane is a game that rewarded pvp of all sorts. For one thing you could kill anyone in the game. When you killed them, you could loot their corpse. This means you would have access to the items they were holding in their bags (Not their actual armor). Very cool right? Gives players a reason to go out and hunt.

On top of this players also have the ability to build cities. With the gold you farm, you can build a city that has guards, it could be a castle, and you can also hire you’re own vendors. This brings a WHOLE new aspect into PvP. You can now wage war (or bane) the cities that you do not like. Let’s say you are out grouping, and a big group comes and ganks your’s then camps your spot. No longer do you have to log out and quit for the night because they are doing what you wanted to – you simple Bane their city!

Putting a “political” system like that into the game, gives a very fun, and unique twist to the game. Also remember, when you bane their city, you will destroy it if you win the war. That means all the gold, effort and time it took to build that city – can be ruined with one bane.

So this creates a whole new aspect to PvP. It creates allies, enemies, wars, and more fun! Unfortunately Shadowbane is an older game, with not too many players and horrible graphics/game play. But they knew how to run a pvp system.

I understand this will probably never happen in WoW because of the Lore. Don’t get me wrong.. I love the lore but it’s kinda restricting at times.

I think I’m just tired of raiding in AV, to kill a boss that will re-spawn the next time I join the game. It’s kinda unrealistic and makes the game a “grind”.

Enough of my end of the discussion… What do YOU think will change WoW’s PvP System and what are you’re views about how PvP is in WoW.



3 Responses to “Can we get some real PvP?”

  1. Myth Says:

    I highly agree with this argument. Back in the day when WoW first started, before the PVP honor system, it was always South Shore vrs Tauren Mill. World PVP at its best. You didn’t get any rewards, no honor, just the satisfaction of waging a huge war and taking the enemy city over. Then BG’s came around and ruined world PVP forever.

    I would like to see move world PVP again, in huge proportions like it used to be. They need to implement cities that can be taken over by either faction I say.

  2. Sean Says:

    I know this is a REALLY old thread.. but I’ve just come accross it. I do agree that the current PvP system in WoW is broken. Especially with the Arenas, and all the Grindable BGs. Think of all those months spent grinding out honor to obtain a Grand Marshal/ High Warlord Title, they make a patch that wipes all that work away and everyone can grind honor in BGs and go get high end armor/weapons. I really wish that WoW would add in some World PvP rewards.

    I’ve found a game that’s similar to WoW in many aspects, but has incorporated the PvP aspects that many old school gamers really like. It’s called Darkfall… http://www.darkfallonline.com.. go check it out and see what it’s all about.

  3. Gavino Says:

    hey, I agree with u guy’s that wow does looks like a *grind* these days, but i do think the pvp is good as ever and i keep geting fun out of playing arena game’s :) and whenever i get bored ill go on raid with some friends and after totaly owning the place we get back 2 arena, but u do think the should make rewards for outdoor pvp would be a hell lot better.

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